On a cold and wet October afternoon, I huddled in with a few Trent friends in Peterborough at the Old Stone (a favourite haunt) and knew I had a call coming from Mister Gordie Johnson (of 'Big Sugar' and 'Grady' fame) who was across the country. Gordie had some time to kill and was kind enough to open his vault of knowledge for little old Matt McKech from Thick Specs as he was waiting to get on a ferry to Victoria, BC to kick off the 'Good As Dead' tour with Grady.
MattMcKech/ThickSpecs (TS): What started you down the road of music, Gordie?
Gordie Johnson (GJ): Well, that's a story that started a long, LONG time ago. But as a kid , of about 12 or 13, I was always into listening to records. That kinda thing. I can remember as a teenager going to see Rush in detroit in '77 and I remember thinking 'THIS is what I want to do!'
TS: You're kind of a jack of all trades (and master of all, as well) in the Canadian music industry – how do you switch from producing iconic albums like Joel Plaskett's 'Ashtray Rock' to performing buzzsaw guitar riffs and writing music in Big Sugar and now Grady?
GJ: Ya know – I guess somewhere along the line, I stopped making the distinction between the two. For me, now, it's all the same thing. I mean, the way I look at it, the control board is just one huge keyboard that sends electrical impluses. So for me, when I stopped differentiating between playing music and producing, I started having fun with it. With someone like Joel (Plaskett), though, it's like I can channel him through electricity and microphones and amps. It's pretty cool.
TS: Speaking of which – how did you and Joel ever get connected?
GJ: Well, it was pretty serendipitous, really. Ya know, for a long time, I'd be travellin' somewhere and a song would come on the radio and I'd be like 'Hey – I like this. What is it?' and bandmates or other people would tell me 'Oh, that's Thrush Hermit' and his music just started stickin' with me. It stood out from a lot of other crap I would hear. So I'd hear him while listening on the radio and then I saw a video that he did with the emergency band and I was like 'Whoa! Who is that kid?' and people were like 'That's Joel from Thursh Hermit' and I was always into his stuff. So for a while, it was sorta like I would always accidentally run into him. Then I found out we love all the same stuff and that we both had a lot of the same influences musically and it sorta started gettin' creepy. But then, luckily enough, his management called me and said 'We'd like you to hook up with joel for some production work' and I was like 'Yes, please! Send him my way!' So it all took off from there.
TS: I'm sure you and Joel must get into some good chats about gear as you're both into that stuff, hunh?
GJ: (laughs raspily) Oh yeah, man. We can get into it. Whether it's songwriting or guitar gear – but now, actually, with Joel having his own studio, we talk a lot about recording gear and we can go on for an hour on the phone about that stuff. But Joel seriously is one of those guys who has my deepest respect as a songwriter and amazing guitar player, man. Sometimes, with the stuff he shows me, I'm like 'Joel – I don't even want to know what you're doing or playing right now.' I can remember once he was gonna show me how to play 'Clueless Wonder' and I was kinda like 'I don't know if I want you to show me, ya know?' It's like I didn't want him to spoil the mystery. (laughs)
TS: You were one of the first Canadian musicians to release a hit single both in French and English (with Big Sugar) – How did that all come about? Was it controversial?
GJ: Actually, it was pretty controversial which was kinda stupid. I mean, it seemed pretty simple to me. I can remember reading contracts about francophone radio play and I was like 'Why don't we sing in french?' In my mind, it seemed practical – Canada is a 2 language country and I've worked with all kinds of bands in Quebec (The Respectables) who only write in french and so I've spent a lot of time with pure French musicians. But as far as the songwriting and singing of an album in both english and french, it's a massive undertaking. I can honestly remember meetings with the record company and people were pounding their fists on the table in a boardroom. It was ridiculous. People were saying 'Oh, but we wanted to put o canada on OUR record and blah blah blah' – I was like 'You gotta be kidding me!' But it was worth it, I mean it really opened the doors for us and gained us a lot of respect in Quebec and with a lot of people in the industry, there.
TS: And now for a gear question - How do you get some of the wailing, big, catastrophic sound you do from your guitars?
GJ: (chuckles) Well THAT is actually something I get asked a lot but it requires a lot of explanation – and it's funny, ya know – I get more gear questions than you'd believe. But for me, it ain't about the equipment – it's the lack of equipment that does it. I've always found that the most uncomplicated signal path between my guitar and the amp is the key. I mean, Matt – if you want to hear from the voice of God, you gotta be able to channel it. Mostly too, I use really heavy strings and I have to play a lot harder to get that sound. I'm a pretty dirty player. I tend to use amps without distortion because my hands are the distortion - my hands are dirty and my playing is pretty crude and progressive. But yeah - cleanest signal path is key because all these overtones and signals are pure and the sound regenerates – so you have to get in the signal path which is actually a circular path that is constantly looping away from you on a circle. You have to plug yourself into a magnetic field - you have to be part of it. I always see all these guys with 9 volt everything and pedal boards and 10 cables between you and your signal - there's a lot of cutoff, there. It's gotta be pure. Joel plays his electric like it's still an acoustic guitar and I play electric guitar in Grady almost like it's a banjo, ya know? I use alot of banjo tunings. The electricity is just incidental.
TS: (mind blown) Wow!
GJ: You got all that? (laughs heartily)
TS: Let's talk about Grady as opposed to Big Sugar – tell me about the differentiation between the two projects for you.
GJ: Well, the process of BS (Big Sugar) was a lot different in actuating the musical theory - half the band was Jamaican and we lived in that community in toronto. Now, I'm not comin' from the sitars or the crazy wind-up instruments – we used musical elements in Big Sugar that were close to us – a lot of old blues, reggae and other stuff. But those were only ingredients. We all had a fairly good sense of humour which helped. Now, livin in texas for most of a decade has had a profound influence on my guitar playing, ya know? I mean, my voice was changing - my playing was changing. Songs that I started playing in standard tuning became eliminated. I describe it like this – I dream in open G. It's kinda like dreaming in languages. You know how most of us only dream in one language? Well, my brother knows a lot of languages and he dreams in Japanese. So I began to embellish my metal, my punk rock. Everyone I knew was in a rock band and loved Willie Nelson and Waylon Jennings, and ya know – that stuff gets into your skin. It presents what we do. BS was part of a piece of machinery. It was a lot of marketing, radioplay, video-making, all that stuff. And it's not that it isn't relevant – it's just not part of my dream anymore. The bands I listen to aren't into that. Ya know, if we would write a song with BS and executives would say 'you can't say cocaine because of radio standards', we didn't do it. Now, I'm singing what I'm singing. That's it.
TS: I read that you filmed a video for Grady in Luck, Texas – an 1800's Old West town that is actually owned by Willie Nelson. Is that true?
GJ: Well, standing at the bar of the continental club, it's a totally different scene down there. I mean, people like Mike Judge or Billy Gibbons are always standing at the bar and they're part of the community and the club. It kinda raises the bar as a performer. These are professional people. You rise to that level. But yeah, Luck, Texas – stuff like that happens to you, here. We were throwin' around ideas for a video and this lady at the bar was like 'shoot it at willie's place!' and we were blown away. If you're there, you're there, man. Things like this happen. We even had Willie tell a joke on the record – at the start of 'cup of cold poison' – and ya know, it's all part of the environment. Ya know, Willie gets impressed because you're his children and you have a firm handshake. He's not impressed by radio play. I got really sick of downtown toronto. Every gig was a showcase. Everyone was always shmoozing. I'm more interested in having a well-trained dog, now. If you can hang on to a bucking bronco for 8 seconds, that impresses the hell out of me. But yeah, we shot the video, and it was awesome.
TS: 'Alberta Bones' is a favourite track of mine on the new album. Tell me about the writing process of that.
GJ: Well that one was written by me and my friend Clayton from the Road Hammers. We've been friends a long time and wrote songs together all day, one fall day down here. Now, I don't think about Alberta specifically all the time or anything – but it seemed appropriate. It's funny - someone from the british press called us 'cowboy metal' – and I guess after hearing that, we were emboldened us to say 'Yeah! So what if I like Waylon Jennings and Outlaw Country and Buck Owens and Dale Watson!' And Dale, especially – I love that guy. He's a musically unsung hero of the scene. He's not as big as Toby Keith but he's the real deal. I see him every monday. (laughs) He plays a lot of truck driver songs. And now, when I'm drivin to houston to play a gig, you can hear Dale Watson on the road in your head and your happy about that lone truck stop.
TS: And that song about the truck stop in La Grange on 'Good As Dead' – was that ZZ Top inspired?
GJ: Well actually, that's a Dale Watson song. Yeah, he wrote that song. But that ZZ Top breakdown in the middle is just us being wise-asses. (laughs) I asked Billy and he was alright with us doin' that!
TS: How far is this new tour for 'Good As Dead' going to go?
GJ: We're goin' right across Canada, man. I'm excited. All the way from BC, straight on through the prairies and into Ontario with stops in Toronto, Peterborough, Ottawa and all over the place. Come on out and see us!
TS: I can't wait! Thanks so much for your time today, Gordie.
GJ: No problem, Matt. Cheers.
Matt McKechnie is a musician and writer from Ottawa, Ontario.
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